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fordoob
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posted 12-27-2005 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fordoob     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
My colleagues were telling me that for the Bathing activity if a patient can't wash their back, but can wash everywhere else you can score them as Mod. Indep. (6). Is this true? I thought you could only score Mod. Indep. if they were able to wash everything, with/without adaptive devices not with assist from someone else to wash the back. Does anyone know?

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jwright
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posted 12-27-2005 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwright   Click Here to Email jwright     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
From the UDS Syllabus:

Bathing includes washing, rinsing, and drying the body from the neck down (excluding the neck and back) in either a tub, shower, or sponge/bed bath. When scoring this item, consider thebody as divided into ten areas or parts, with each accounting for 10% of the total:
-chest
-left arm
-right arm
-abdomen
-perineal area
-buttocks
-left upper leg
-right upper leg
-left lower leg, including foot
-right lower leg including foot

If the only issue is that the person cannot wash, rinse and dry their neck or back, but can do everything else in a safe and timely manner they should be scored a 7 (the back and neck are not considered when scoring this item).

A person would be scored a 6 (modified independence)if they could wash, rinse and dry all ten areas, but required specialized equipment, took more than a reasonable amount of time, or had safety considerations.

Jerry Wright

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fordoob
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posted 12-28-2005 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fordoob     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
How does the back & neck not count in bathing? It just doesn't make sense to me.

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jwright
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posted 12-28-2005 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwright   Click Here to Email jwright     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Again from the FIM manual:

"The FIM instrument measures disability. If the back was included in the Bathing item, then persons who are not disabled might score lower than level 7 - Complete Independence, because they may not wash their back everyday or they may use an assistive device (a long-handled sponge) to wash their back. If we do not include the back, we get a clearer picture of the patient's level of disability."

There is not an explanation of why the neck was excluded, but perhaps it would be similar.

You say that it does not make sense, but this is written directly into the item description. The scale creators provided this information to increase rating consistency. Do you not have access to the item descriptions? If not, you really should ask your center's FIM trainer for a copy. Other FIM items have little twists such as this, which are not evident unless you study and rate from the item descriptions (such as what activities are and are not included in Grooming, what kind of clothing is appropriate to rate in Dressing, how to rate bowel/bladder accidents if staff are required to clean the individual, how to rate for household ambulation and stair climbing, dicriminating between complex and routine problems for Problem Solving.) I am sure I have missed others.

Jerry Wright

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fordoob
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posted 12-28-2005 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fordoob     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your help. No, my facility does not have FIM descriptions b/c they "loosely" base their scorigng/etc. on the FIM. It was just a discussion I was having with a colleague of mine & it's been a long time since I actually used the "official" FIM that I had forgotten the little nuances. Thanks for bringing it to light!

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cordywes
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posted 05-15-2006 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cordywes     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fordoob:
Thanks for your help. No, my facility does not have FIM descriptions b/c they "loosely" base their scorigng/etc. on the FIM. It was just a discussion I was having with a colleague of mine & it's been a long time since I actually used the "official" FIM that I had forgotten the little nuances. Thanks for bringing it to light!

It would be really worthwhile to get the booklet with the decision trees. You wont get consistancy with any of your scores without it.

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dolphinrescue
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posted 05-26-2007 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dolphinrescue   Click Here to Email dolphinrescue     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know how I can get a copy of the booklet with the decision tree? I've misplaced mine and can't find it. I would really appreciate any help...I am getting ready to supervise a student and would like to have a copy available for her to review.

Thanks so much!!!
Tammy

[This message has been edited by dolphinrescue (edited 05-26-2007).]

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mbartholomew
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posted 06-12-2007 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mbartholomew   Click Here to Email mbartholomew     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
When scoring bathing, are we to score on the quality or how much they clean each area? For example, if an individual can clean the anterior aspect of both upper legs only and need assistance to wash, rinse, and dry the sides and posterior aspects of the upper legs, do we score both upper legs as independent or needing assistance? Another example, if they can reach the top of their feet, but needs assistance to clean in between their toes and the soles of their feet, do we score them as independent or needing assistance? I hope that make sense. Thank you very much!

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mbartholomew
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posted 06-12-2007 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mbartholomew   Click Here to Email mbartholomew     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I could possibly scan the copy that I recieved in MOT school and then send it as an attachment. It also also has a quiz for each area. Not sure if we can send attachments, if not, I could send it via your email address???

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Originally posted by dolphinrescue:
Does anyone know how I can get a copy of the booklet with the decision tree? I've misplaced mine and can't find it. I would really appreciate any help...I am getting ready to supervise a student and would like to have a copy available for her to review.

Thanks so much!!!
Tammy

[This message has been edited by dolphinrescue (edited 05-26-2007).]


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A2Z
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posted 11-13-2007 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A2Z     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dolphinrescue:
Does anyone know how I can get a copy of the booklet with the decision tree? I've misplaced mine and can't find it. I would really appreciate any help...I am getting ready to supervise a student and would like to have a copy available for her to review.

Thanks so much!!!
Tammy

[This message has been edited by dolphinrescue (edited 05-26-2007).]


You are right about the second thought; what I can think of is that it should be ability to wash both the anterior and posterior aspects of the body parts to be designated as independent. In this case, it has to be graded as needing assistance.

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